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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablemothering.com/2010/06/24/boycotting-blogher/comment-page-1/#comment-832</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it is hypocritical to have criticized the #NestleFamily bloggers and then go to BlogHer. The situations are entirely different. People who bought tickets to BlogHer did so without having any control over who the sponsors would be. The #NestleFamily bloggers explicitly agreed to accept payment in product, plane tickets, hotel and meals, and (my personal favorite) steaks. BlogHer members had no choice in who the BlogHer owners would accept as sponsors and no reason to know in advance that their tickets would be partially funded by Nestle. So BlogHer ticket holder affiliation with Nestle is entirely involuntary and the #NestleFamily bloggers consciously and affirmatively chose to take and endorse Nestle. Many of the BlogHer ticket holders also had contractual and moral obligations to sponsors and, like you, organizations. All of these innocent parties should not have to suffer because BlogHer owners made what I believe to be a very poor choice.

Like you, I hope that BlogHer will understand that some/many people won&#039;t buy tickets for the next conference without an assurance this won&#039;t happen again. But perhaps BlogHer&#039;s model doesn&#039;t recognize these issues. And perhaps there needs to be a conference - perhaps on a smaller scale - for bloggers who care who the sponsors are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it is hypocritical to have criticized the #NestleFamily bloggers and then go to BlogHer. The situations are entirely different. People who bought tickets to BlogHer did so without having any control over who the sponsors would be. The #NestleFamily bloggers explicitly agreed to accept payment in product, plane tickets, hotel and meals, and (my personal favorite) steaks. BlogHer members had no choice in who the BlogHer owners would accept as sponsors and no reason to know in advance that their tickets would be partially funded by Nestle. So BlogHer ticket holder affiliation with Nestle is entirely involuntary and the #NestleFamily bloggers consciously and affirmatively chose to take and endorse Nestle. Many of the BlogHer ticket holders also had contractual and moral obligations to sponsors and, like you, organizations. All of these innocent parties should not have to suffer because BlogHer owners made what I believe to be a very poor choice.</p>
<p>Like you, I hope that BlogHer will understand that some/many people won&#8217;t buy tickets for the next conference without an assurance this won&#8217;t happen again. But perhaps BlogHer&#8217;s model doesn&#8217;t recognize these issues. And perhaps there needs to be a conference &#8211; perhaps on a smaller scale &#8211; for bloggers who care who the sponsors are.<br />
<span class="cluv">Jake&#180;s last [type] ..<a class="c45bff863e 832" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sustainablemothering.com/2010/06/27/hands-across-the-sand-in-north-wildwood-new-jersey/">Hands Across the Sand in North Wildwood- New Jersey</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Candace @Naturally Educational</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablemothering.com/2010/06/24/boycotting-blogher/comment-page-1/#comment-831</link>
		<dc:creator>Candace @Naturally Educational</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you hit on a very important point here.  BlogHer is, of course, supposed to be a general conference, representing all female Bloggers.  At the same time, it not only reflects what is going on in the blogging world, it helps to shape and mold it.  All bloggers should be welcome at BlogHer but should the focus be on the companies and the swag or on the writing and ideas?

Although not all female bloggers who write content about their lives and their ideas would agree on the Nestle issue--I think that a refusal to consider writing an ethical sponsorship would, taken with other events, signal a certain direction.  Members, attendees, etc., will need to consider whether that direction is one they wish to go.

On another topic, I respect your position (and decision to not release your ticket) and I hope you still respect those who, after careful consideration, still choose to attend.  After reviewing my comments during #NestleFamily, I feel confident I am not being hypocritical in attending.  I am less sure, though, I am doing the right thing.  

Certainly, wanting to go plays a part.  I have never been and it being so close means I can go without being so far from my young family.  

At the same time, there is more to it than that.  I am also representing an organization that I co-founded and I hope that it has the power to add to the conversation in a constructive way.  Speakers, party hosts, editors, and attendees have something to gain by attending but they also have something to give.  I think the real key will be how this issue is handled going forward and whether bloggers will continue to believe BlogHer is the place for them.

I think it is very difficult to take a 100% pure position, as your story about the Nestle water demonstrates.  Although I respect people who take a closer to pure position than myself on issues they care about, I&#039;m not going to beat myself up for making what I believe to be the best decision under the less than ideal circumstances.  I think the question is, in part, where each incident falls along the spectrum (and that will vary from person to person) and how we can plan ahead in the future.

As to why more people are not boycotting--I think it is important to remember there were only a handful of bloggers involved in protesting Nestle during #NestleFamily. And I wonder how many people are unaware of the Nestle sponsorship--since I only found out from the posts I have read.  There may be others who care about the issue who do not read the same blogs I do.  I wonder, too, if some people have quietly decided not to go or to take their names off the wait list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you hit on a very important point here.  BlogHer is, of course, supposed to be a general conference, representing all female Bloggers.  At the same time, it not only reflects what is going on in the blogging world, it helps to shape and mold it.  All bloggers should be welcome at BlogHer but should the focus be on the companies and the swag or on the writing and ideas?</p>
<p>Although not all female bloggers who write content about their lives and their ideas would agree on the Nestle issue&#8211;I think that a refusal to consider writing an ethical sponsorship would, taken with other events, signal a certain direction.  Members, attendees, etc., will need to consider whether that direction is one they wish to go.</p>
<p>On another topic, I respect your position (and decision to not release your ticket) and I hope you still respect those who, after careful consideration, still choose to attend.  After reviewing my comments during #NestleFamily, I feel confident I am not being hypocritical in attending.  I am less sure, though, I am doing the right thing.  </p>
<p>Certainly, wanting to go plays a part.  I have never been and it being so close means I can go without being so far from my young family.  </p>
<p>At the same time, there is more to it than that.  I am also representing an organization that I co-founded and I hope that it has the power to add to the conversation in a constructive way.  Speakers, party hosts, editors, and attendees have something to gain by attending but they also have something to give.  I think the real key will be how this issue is handled going forward and whether bloggers will continue to believe BlogHer is the place for them.</p>
<p>I think it is very difficult to take a 100% pure position, as your story about the Nestle water demonstrates.  Although I respect people who take a closer to pure position than myself on issues they care about, I&#8217;m not going to beat myself up for making what I believe to be the best decision under the less than ideal circumstances.  I think the question is, in part, where each incident falls along the spectrum (and that will vary from person to person) and how we can plan ahead in the future.</p>
<p>As to why more people are not boycotting&#8211;I think it is important to remember there were only a handful of bloggers involved in protesting Nestle during #NestleFamily. And I wonder how many people are unaware of the Nestle sponsorship&#8211;since I only found out from the posts I have read.  There may be others who care about the issue who do not read the same blogs I do.  I wonder, too, if some people have quietly decided not to go or to take their names off the wait list.<br />
<span class="cluv">Candace @Naturally Educational&#180;s last [type] ..<a class="73c8cd3112 831" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.naturallyeducational.com/2010/07/kids-american-flag-craft/">An American Mosaic- Paper Flag Collage</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Krista</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablemothering.com/2010/06/24/boycotting-blogher/comment-page-1/#comment-829</link>
		<dc:creator>Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is.. Jake, it doesn&#039;t leave a bad taste in my mouth when I read your post about it.  But others do leave that bad taste, and whether it&#039;s just self-justification or not, it makes me feel unhappy about those other bloggers previous stated objections to Nestle now, and I&#039;ve found myself not wanting to read a few places anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is.. Jake, it doesn&#8217;t leave a bad taste in my mouth when I read your post about it.  But others do leave that bad taste, and whether it&#8217;s just self-justification or not, it makes me feel unhappy about those other bloggers previous stated objections to Nestle now, and I&#8217;ve found myself not wanting to read a few places anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choosing your blog quote was somewhat arbitrary. If you think another blog would be a more appropriate link, I&#039;ll certainly change it. Since I wasn&#039;t a BlogHer member then,  I didn&#039;t know who was who during the complaining.

Sorry if it appeared I am calling you a whore. I don&#039;t know you and the content wasn&#039;t directed toward any individual in particular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choosing your blog quote was somewhat arbitrary. If you think another blog would be a more appropriate link, I&#8217;ll certainly change it. Since I wasn&#8217;t a BlogHer member then,  I didn&#8217;t know who was who during the complaining.</p>
<p>Sorry if it appeared I am calling you a whore. I don&#8217;t know you and the content wasn&#8217;t directed toward any individual in particular.<br />
<span class="cluv">Jake&#180;s last [type] ..<a class="e8d72d0483 826" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sustainablemothering.com/2010/06/27/hands-across-the-sand-in-north-wildwood-new-jersey/">Hands Across the Sand in North Wildwood- New Jersey</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Christy</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablemothering.com/2010/06/24/boycotting-blogher/comment-page-1/#comment-825</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a lot of respect for someone who gives up something important to them because it conflicts with their personal ideals. I also respect someone who attacks a company, or a philosophy without personally attacking individuals who have no control over the activities in question. I do believe there is quite a bit of hypocrisy going on over people insisting that BlogHer is too important in their lives to miss. Whatever.

That said, I find it a bit odd that you chose my tongue-in-cheek post about the amount of swag at BlogHer to link to in your post. There were plenty of people who felt there was too much swag; I wasn&#039;t one of them. Perhaps I fall into your whore-y category, although I&#039;d like to think that bringing home various goodies (which I did nothing to earn) to share with family members and friends is hardly akin to prostitution. 

I am sorry that you won&#039;t be attending BlogHer. There was a lot of negativity surrounding the event last year and I believe most of it was overblown. Most of the people who complained loudly will attend again this year, which suggests that the good far outweighed the bad. With 1500+ women (and men) in one spot, you&#039;re going to find some bad apples. For the most part, BlogHer is overflowing with intelligent, thoughtful, generous and kind people. I would attend for that alone. The sessions, parties, brands and swag are all extraneous to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lot of respect for someone who gives up something important to them because it conflicts with their personal ideals. I also respect someone who attacks a company, or a philosophy without personally attacking individuals who have no control over the activities in question. I do believe there is quite a bit of hypocrisy going on over people insisting that BlogHer is too important in their lives to miss. Whatever.</p>
<p>That said, I find it a bit odd that you chose my tongue-in-cheek post about the amount of swag at BlogHer to link to in your post. There were plenty of people who felt there was too much swag; I wasn&#8217;t one of them. Perhaps I fall into your whore-y category, although I&#8217;d like to think that bringing home various goodies (which I did nothing to earn) to share with family members and friends is hardly akin to prostitution. </p>
<p>I am sorry that you won&#8217;t be attending BlogHer. There was a lot of negativity surrounding the event last year and I believe most of it was overblown. Most of the people who complained loudly will attend again this year, which suggests that the good far outweighed the bad. With 1500+ women (and men) in one spot, you&#8217;re going to find some bad apples. For the most part, BlogHer is overflowing with intelligent, thoughtful, generous and kind people. I would attend for that alone. The sessions, parties, brands and swag are all extraneous to that.<br />
<span class="cluv">Christy&#180;s last [type] ..<a class="b617b6e85f 825" rel="nofollow" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/quirkyfusion/~3/SkfT0EzXZbs/">Ptchou- Ptchou-</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bloggers boycott BlogHer &#8217;10 over Nestle (Stouffer&#8217;s, Butterfinger) sponsorship &#124; PhD in Parenting</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablemothering.com/2010/06/24/boycotting-blogher/comment-page-1/#comment-823</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloggers boycott BlogHer &#8217;10 over Nestle (Stouffer&#8217;s, Butterfinger) sponsorship &#124; PhD in Parenting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 21:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to attend BlogHer for the first time this year. Jake Aryeh Marcus from Sustainable Mothering wrote Boycotting BlogHer Because I Boycott Nestle. Here is an excerpt from her post: So when I read that a Nestle brand was going to be one of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to attend BlogHer for the first time this year. Jake Aryeh Marcus from Sustainable Mothering wrote Boycotting BlogHer Because I Boycott Nestle. Here is an excerpt from her post: So when I read that a Nestle brand was going to be one of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablemothering.com/2010/06/24/boycotting-blogher/comment-page-1/#comment-811</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I&#039;ve thought about it, the more that I&#039;d want to boycott if I had a blog worthy of note.  Nestle is even worse than the companies who send me free formula in the mail for being so ubiquitous and thus so hard to avoid.  

I do still think good can be done by protesting on site at BlogHer.  My guess is that Nestle has made an offer that BlogHer couldn&#039;t refuse and probably won&#039;t refuse in the future.

Sara: Whole Foods has a pretty good mascara; I can&#039;t remember the brand now.  For non-natural brands, Shi Uemura is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I&#8217;ve thought about it, the more that I&#8217;d want to boycott if I had a blog worthy of note.  Nestle is even worse than the companies who send me free formula in the mail for being so ubiquitous and thus so hard to avoid.  </p>
<p>I do still think good can be done by protesting on site at BlogHer.  My guess is that Nestle has made an offer that BlogHer couldn&#8217;t refuse and probably won&#8217;t refuse in the future.</p>
<p>Sara: Whole Foods has a pretty good mascara; I can&#8217;t remember the brand now.  For non-natural brands, Shi Uemura is good.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie @ PhD in Parenting</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablemothering.com/2010/06/24/boycotting-blogher/comment-page-1/#comment-803</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie @ PhD in Parenting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jake:

The metaphor was simply intended to express that I don&#039;t immediately cut ties with entities (be they people or organizations) that I feel strongly about because they made a bad decision. I don&#039;t ignore their bad decision, but I also don&#039;t cut off the relationship altogether without giving them an opportunity to improve. I&#039;m not perfect either and I hope that people would also extend me the same courtesy of telling me when I&#039;ve screwed up, but also giving me time and space to improve before they sever ties altogether.

With regards to BlogHer&#039;s contribution to the greater good, it created a community and website that gives women&#039;s voices more power. Through its website and its advertising network, it allows more women to have their voices heard and get paid for doing so. Through its political and advocacy work, it creates opportunities for women to be heard directly by politicians and gives scholarships to international activist writers. It hosts conferences that allow women writers to learn from each other and be inspired by each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jake:</p>
<p>The metaphor was simply intended to express that I don&#8217;t immediately cut ties with entities (be they people or organizations) that I feel strongly about because they made a bad decision. I don&#8217;t ignore their bad decision, but I also don&#8217;t cut off the relationship altogether without giving them an opportunity to improve. I&#8217;m not perfect either and I hope that people would also extend me the same courtesy of telling me when I&#8217;ve screwed up, but also giving me time and space to improve before they sever ties altogether.</p>
<p>With regards to BlogHer&#8217;s contribution to the greater good, it created a community and website that gives women&#8217;s voices more power. Through its website and its advertising network, it allows more women to have their voices heard and get paid for doing so. Through its political and advocacy work, it creates opportunities for women to be heard directly by politicians and gives scholarships to international activist writers. It hosts conferences that allow women writers to learn from each other and be inspired by each other.<br />
<span class="cluv">Annie @ PhD in Parenting&#180;s last [type] ..<a class="0ee25d0cdd 803" rel="nofollow" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/phdinparenting/~3/8zZVApoUgJo/">HopTye- Part wrap- part mei tai</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Sara Dodder Furr</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablemothering.com/2010/06/24/boycotting-blogher/comment-page-1/#comment-798</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara Dodder Furr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 04:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud you, Jake (and Elita) for not going to the conference.  I think if your gut tells you it&#039;s wrong, then you clearly need to listen to your instincts.  

It&#039;s difficult, indeed, to keep track of all of the companies owned by Nestle.  I admit to being up on most of them (for example, I know I shouldn&#039;t eat Nestle candy, clearly labeled or feed Purina dog food - less clearly labeled as a Nestle product - to my pets).  I&#039;ve made some mistakes which are glaring.  Recently I had that moment of &quot;d&#039;oh&quot; when I realized that the one brand of mascara I&#039;ve found that doesn&#039;t burn my eyes and make me look like a raccoon owned by Nestle (Lancome).  How did I not know that?  Crap!!  

Just a few days ago I was asked by a friend if I know anything about the relationship between Red Box and Nestle.  She is a huge breastfeeding supporter and got an email offer for a free Red Box rental if she bought a couple of Nestle products.  (See http://www.couponingfor4.net/2010/06/free-redbox-rental-at-walgreens-with.html.)  I don&#039;t think Nestle owns Red Box but they are apparently doing a lot of co-branding with them.  So should one avoid/boycott Red Box?  Sometimes I feel like it&#039;s impossible to avoid Nestle, but you can be I am looking for a new mascara brand. Small thing, I know, but really it is a PITA to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud you, Jake (and Elita) for not going to the conference.  I think if your gut tells you it&#8217;s wrong, then you clearly need to listen to your instincts.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s difficult, indeed, to keep track of all of the companies owned by Nestle.  I admit to being up on most of them (for example, I know I shouldn&#8217;t eat Nestle candy, clearly labeled or feed Purina dog food &#8211; less clearly labeled as a Nestle product &#8211; to my pets).  I&#8217;ve made some mistakes which are glaring.  Recently I had that moment of &#8220;d&#8217;oh&#8221; when I realized that the one brand of mascara I&#8217;ve found that doesn&#8217;t burn my eyes and make me look like a raccoon owned by Nestle (Lancome).  How did I not know that?  Crap!!  </p>
<p>Just a few days ago I was asked by a friend if I know anything about the relationship between Red Box and Nestle.  She is a huge breastfeeding supporter and got an email offer for a free Red Box rental if she bought a couple of Nestle products.  (See <a href="http://www.couponingfor4.net/2010/06/free-redbox-rental-at-walgreens-with.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.couponingfor4.net/2010/06/free-redbox-rental-at-walgreens-with.html</a>.)  I don&#8217;t think Nestle owns Red Box but they are apparently doing a lot of co-branding with them.  So should one avoid/boycott Red Box?  Sometimes I feel like it&#8217;s impossible to avoid Nestle, but you can be I am looking for a new mascara brand. Small thing, I know, but really it is a PITA to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablemothering.com/2010/06/24/boycotting-blogher/comment-page-1/#comment-797</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Annie, is the metaphor about your mother really a reflection of how deeply you adore BlogHer (like your mother)  or how slight the infraction is (2/80 being like the case of water)? I have been deeply loyal and attached to organizations that behaved badly and tolerated bad behavior I would not have in an organization to which I was not so attached. But your image of disowning your mother over a case of water seems quite extreme. And BlogHer&#039;s contribution to the greater good has been ... what? 

I respect that you have found a way to protest BlogHer&#039;s choice by donating such a substantial sum to organizations doing work made more difficult by Neslte. I respect that you have a professional opportunity presented by speaking at BlogHer this year. But this deep personal attachment to BlogHer as an organization surprises me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Annie, is the metaphor about your mother really a reflection of how deeply you adore BlogHer (like your mother)  or how slight the infraction is (2/80 being like the case of water)? I have been deeply loyal and attached to organizations that behaved badly and tolerated bad behavior I would not have in an organization to which I was not so attached. But your image of disowning your mother over a case of water seems quite extreme. And BlogHer&#8217;s contribution to the greater good has been &#8230; what? </p>
<p>I respect that you have found a way to protest BlogHer&#8217;s choice by donating such a substantial sum to organizations doing work made more difficult by Neslte. I respect that you have a professional opportunity presented by speaking at BlogHer this year. But this deep personal attachment to BlogHer as an organization surprises me.<br />
<span class="cluv">Jake&#180;s last [type] ..<a class="07e4caddcf 797" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sustainablemothering.com/2010/06/24/boycotting-blogher/">Boycotting BlogHer Because I Boycott Nestle</a></span></p>
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